Their latest wager involves speculating on the futures of the Yankees' and Red Sox best pitching prospects--Joba Chamberlain and Clay Buchholz. Friend A bet friend B a large (enough) sum of money that Chamberlain will have a better career than Buchholz. A let B pick the metric of record: VORP.
Now, let's leave aside for the moment the sheer idiocacy of making an even money bet on the long-term future of a couple of 22-year-old pitchers (I bet friend B that Ian Kennedy would win 150 games, but I got odds). Suppose they both beat attrition rates and have 10- or 12-year careers. Where is the smart money?
Stuff
Well, Buchholz has a shitload of talent. He's that rare big framed right hander with both power and control. In addition to a 92-94mph four-seam fastball, he's got a goodish changeup and what some have called the best 12-6 curveball in baseball. Period.
But Chamberlain has a shitload of talent too. He's that rare big framed right hander with both power and control. In addition to a 96-98 mph four-seam fastball, he's got a goodish changeup and what some have called the best power slider in baseball. Period.
Since most scouts have them as 1 and 1A among pitching prospects, accounting for differences in "tools" becomes a matter of nitpicking. Joba's got a slightly better fastball--how many pitchers in the last ten years can you think of that can regularly paint the black at 100mph?--but Clay has two fastballs, offsetting and excellent four-seamer with a pretty good sinker.
The argument runs the other way for secondary offerings. Buchholz's curveball is triply devastating: he can throw it over the plate for called strikes, as an off-speed pitch, and as a pure downer. Chamberlain's slider, disgusting as it is, is mostly a one-speed, swing and miss pitch that he buries down-and-in on lefties and low-and-away on righties (though, in 2007 Chamberlain was able to backdoor a slider here and there; if this proves consistently possible...My God). And while Chamberlain's slow(er) curveball is only mostly deadly--think Pedro's circa 2006 instead of 1999--it gives a hitter two different plus-plus breaking balls to worry about. Lastly, both Buchholz and Chamberlain feature decent changeups, but neither is a finished product.
I should also note, there isn't enough pitchf/x data (that I could find) to compare them that way, yet. We'll have to wait for '08. What little there is I found here.
Track Record
The 2007 major league numbers look like this:
Buchholz: 22.7IP, 3-1, 1.59ERA, 1.059WHIP, 22K/10BB
Chamberlain: 24.IP, 2-0, 0.38ERA, .750WHIP, 34K/6BB
Neither of these guys is going to be standing on a bread line any time soon. Nevertheless, Chamberlain holds a slight edge (incidentally, the difference is even more pronounced in Davenport Translations). You could argue that Joba didn't have to turn over the lineup three times--like Buchholz did in his no-hitter--but then one also has to remember Joba gave up exactly one earned run (on a patented Mike Lowell solo shot at Fenway)

with half his pitching arsenal tied behind his back. Surely, Chamberlain is going to start hitting a few more bats when he moves into the starting rotation, but you're not going to see that 6-to-1 K/BB ratio dissolve overnight. Rather, Chamberlain is likely to settle in at a level comfortably above Buchholz. Just look at the minor league numbers, which are basically identical but for the K/BB ratio (though Buchholz has the bigger sample as Joba came out of the college system.)
Buchholz: 285.2IP, 2.46ERA, 1.00WHIP, 356K/77BB (4.5/1)
Chamberlain: 88.1IP, 2.45ERA, 1.01WHIP, 135K/27BB (5/1)
Projection:
Buchholz's no-hitter and subsequent disappearance from tthe greater Boston area seemed to have added a rock-star mystique to his status among prospectors. Thankfully, computers don't care about Houdini acts. Here, you can find the 2008 projections for Buchholz and Chamberlain from a popular system that rhymes with SCHMECOTA.
Highlights include the preservation of Chamberlain's lead in K/BB, his far-greater "upside", and substantially higher VORP, WARP, and WXRL numbers despite the fact that he is projected as a swing man and not a starter. Also interesting, despite having accumulated fewer professional innings than Buchholz, Chamberlain's "Beta" number--a measure of the volatility of projection based on comporable players--is lower than Buchholz's.
 

 As you can see, there is a big jump in predictive power around the .800 OPS line, with the highest R-square values coming from players with at least a .900 OPS (rare enough territory). In terms of plate appearances, there is a more steady increase in predictability starting around the 300 PA threshold and peaking at 500 PA.
As you can see, there is a big jump in predictive power around the .800 OPS line, with the highest R-square values coming from players with at least a .900 OPS (rare enough territory). In terms of plate appearances, there is a more steady increase in predictability starting around the 300 PA threshold and peaking at 500 PA.
 He faced more batters and gave up more hits (many of them line drives, more on this later) than almost any other closer in baseball. When the same thirty-six closers are given standardized “scores” that measure their value over or under the positional average, Rivera comes in at a measly .40 above the mean (by comparison Takashi Saito and J.J. Putz topped the list at 10.69 and 7.28 above the mean, respectively). Unsurprisingly, Rivera also saw his ERA balloon to 3.15, the highest since his rookie season (and the first time its been north of 2.00 since 2002).
He faced more batters and gave up more hits (many of them line drives, more on this later) than almost any other closer in baseball. When the same thirty-six closers are given standardized “scores” that measure their value over or under the positional average, Rivera comes in at a measly .40 above the mean (by comparison Takashi Saito and J.J. Putz topped the list at 10.69 and 7.28 above the mean, respectively). Unsurprisingly, Rivera also saw his ERA balloon to 3.15, the highest since his rookie season (and the first time its been north of 2.00 since 2002).
 Last year, only 21% of a team's fate was determined by its financial resources. Good time to be a Rays fan, huh?
Last year, only 21% of a team's fate was determined by its financial resources. Good time to be a Rays fan, huh?
